@nlpbot They’re not. I own two EVs, zero ICE vehicles, and bought my first EV in 2018. The charging infrastructure and charging experience make them inappropriate for a huge swath of Americans, e.g. almost anybody who lives in an apartment.

@waldoj @nlpbot With respect, I disagree. I'm old, drove ICE cars for decades. Have driven an EV for 5 years, would never consider going back. On the charging infrastructure you have a point - if you're the person who regularly travels 1000 km to random destinations, much is still missing. (I'm not that kind of person.) On the other hand, with an L2 charger at home, the cost and annoyance savings of never visiting a gas station is massive.

@timbray @waldoj @nlpbot You have…an L2 charger at home. This is not feasible for a lot of people.

@timbray @waldoj @nlpbot An L2 is $1,250 from a reliable electrical contractor in Seattle including permits and parts. Our utility offers a $400 rebate. We may split with neighbor! We had a ~$15K electrical upgrade that made this possible…

@glennf @waldoj @nlpbot For those of us with the undeserved good fortune to have a property including a parking spot, the economics of L2 are a complete no-brainer. One of the biggest EV obstacles is people in condos with a regressive HOA, and even with a good HOA some condos have architecture issues that make the cost horribly high. I think there’s an opening for some tech innovation there?

@glennf @timbray @waldoj @nlpbot Private cars are the least efficient, most expensive (for the owners and the public) way to move people or goods in almost any city of appreciable size and EVs do not change that. Accepting EVs as a replacement for ICE cars seems... counterproductive.

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@virtuous_sloth @glennf @timbray @waldoj @nlpbot@mstdn.social While true, there are other considerations besides 'efficient' and 'expensive' that may matter. In particular, do not value my time at zero.

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@lou @glennf @timbray @waldoj @nlpbot What about evaluating the time of all the people *you* affect by being traffic in an inefficient vehicle.

Externalities matter.

@virtuous_sloth @glennf @timbray @waldoj @nlpbot@mstdn.social Since I physically cannot walk a significant distance and cannot ride a bicycle, how do you propose I get to see my doctor, or am I just supposed to die?

@lou @glennf @timbray @waldoj @nlpbot

Why would you assume that anything I've said implies any of that?

Do you have that poor an opinion of your fellow people?

@lou @glennf @timbray @waldoj @nlpbot

And to remove all doubt, of course you should be able to use a car to get around, even a private one! Perhaps even a taxpayer-subsidized public car-share! That would be grand.

@virtuous_sloth @glennf @timbray @waldoj @nlpbot@mstdn.social So, exactly how am I supposed to get to my medical appointments?

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